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Is anyone using Kanban? [closed]

Is anyone using Kanban (or scrumban) for the agile management practices? What is your experience with Kanban? How does it work in large complex environments with dependencies on waterfall projects?

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Cam Wolff Avatar asked May 29 '09 02:05

Cam Wolff


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I know the BBC use it quite extensively. See David Joyce's blog for more details http://leanandkanban.wordpress.com/

He has a quite hefty slide deck in there to sift through.

I think the thing to remember about Lean thinking is that you must consider the value stream as a whole. Whilst you can super optimise the development team using techniques such as Kanban, it is more important to incorporate both up stream (Management/Analysis) and downstream (QA/deployment/support) to fully reap the rewards.

Therefore, to ask how does this fit into a Waterfall or complex process (beyond your personal effect), is not quite the right question. What is a more important question is to ask how can I begin to effect the entire value stream. I know this sounds like the beginning of religious Lean zealotry, but it is how you will realise the true value of a lean process.

For example, consider the following scenario for a typical project:

  • Analysis time: 18 months
  • Dev time: 9 months
  • QA & release time: 4 months
  • Customer adoption and rework: 12 months

Total: 43 months

If by applying Lean to the development process you improve by 100%, ie a development time of 4.5 months, bringing a new total of 38.5 months. You have then only increased the total value stream by just over 10%... insignificant!!

You need to begin to fight the fight and take the Lean thinking to upper management and demonstrate where real success lies... which is in the re-design of the entire process.

Remember Lean is NOT a development process, it can be applied to every aspect of the business.

Some interesting books on how to take this discussion beyond the the development team include;

  • Lean Thinking
  • Beyond Budgeting
  • Throughput Accounting
  • The Toyota Way
  • Freedom from Command & Control
  • Lean Product & Process Development
  • Implementing Lean Software Development: From concept to cash
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Xian Avatar answered Oct 10 '22 01:10

Xian