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Are embedded developers more conservative than their desktop brethrens? [closed]

I've been in the embedded space for a while now, and it seems that most programmers I talk to seem to be doing things pretty much the same way it was done 15 years or more ago: Waterfall(ish) Development, command line tools and a small group uses lint.

Contrast this with the server/desktop environment, where there seems to be lots of activity related to all sorts of facets of programming:

  • XP, Scrum, Iterative, Lean/Agile
  • Continuous Integration
  • Automated Builds
  • Automated Unit Testing Frameworks
  • Refactoring tool support

Is it just that the embedded environment makes it more difficult to implement new practices or tools?
Is it that the mindset of embedded programmers steers them away from new tools/concepts?
Is it that management in the typical embedded industry behind the curve compared to IT focused fields?

I do realize that this is a generalization, and some embedded projects do use Scrum, Agile, CI, Automated Builds (in fact I worked at a company that had that in place since the 80s). But my impression is that it is a very small percentage.

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Benoit Avatar asked Feb 12 '09 13:02

Benoit


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2 Answers

Are embedded developers more conservative than their desktop brethrens?

Yes, because they are more concerned with the consequences of making errors. It’s a big deal to patch an embedded device. Not so much for a desktop app.

Waterfallish development is necessary in the embedded world because you are generally building hardware at the same time as the software. You need to know as soon as possible how much memory, how much processor speed, how big a flash, what if any special hardware is necessary etc...The hardware design can’t complete until you know these answers. Once you decide, that is pretty much it. The lead time for redoing a board is far too long. If you mess up then the software is going to have to work around any short-comings. Not usually an ideal situation.

As for the tools, that is largely based on what the supplier provides and any biases of the developers. On some projects I have used XP Embedded and got pretty much everything that the desktop developer gets.

XP, Scrum, Iterative, Lean/Agile:

Since most of the design is done up front (by necessity), and you usually don’t have working hardware when it is time to code, the quick turn-around processes don’t really provide much benefit.

Continuous Integration/Automated Builds Nice to have, but not really necessary. What…it takes about 15 seconds to open the IDE and press the compile button.

Automated Unit Testing

No reason why this shouldn't be done, but only part of the code can truly be automatically tested because the other part is either hardware dependent or has some other dependencies like timing. So you can't really tell if the code is working by the automated tests.

Refactoring Tool Support

The vendors of embedded processors product is the processor. They provide the IDE support in order to encourage you to purchase their processor. They couldn't possibly afford to pay for a Visual Studio sized development team in order to add all the bells and whistles to the IDE which isn't even their product.

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Dunk Avatar answered Sep 19 '22 04:09

Dunk


We are all used to the fact that our desktop PC crashes once in a while (or at least an application on the desktop suddenly disappears). It's no big deal. The next patch will fix it.

In the embedded space, you are building something which can't be patched. Lives can depend on your device (in a car, an elevator or a medical system). Most devices are installed and then must run unattended for years. So embedded people tend to be very conservative. TCP/IP is often "too modern". They stick to their trusty serial bus with a communication "stack" that is roughly 50 lines of assembler code.

What's worse, you simply don't have the abundance of space on the device which means you can't use one of the latest programming languages which make TDD and automated builds a bliss.

Next, a lot of embedded development environments are proprietary. If your supplier doesn't support it, you won't get it. Linux has started to weaken this in the past years but a whole lot of devices are not powerful enough to run Linux, yet. And even if they were, the CPU power would be used for something else instead of running a fancy OS which comes with source.

So yes, there are powerful forces working in the background to keep the embedded space where it is.

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Aaron Digulla Avatar answered Sep 19 '22 04:09

Aaron Digulla