The advantages of having static function like len(), max(), and min() over inherited method calls

Question

i am a python newbie, and i am not sure why python implemented len(obj), max(obj), and min(obj) as a static like functions (i am from the java language) over obj.len(), obj.max(), and obj.min()

what are the advantages and disadvantages (other than obvious inconsistency) of having len()... over the method calls?

why guido chose this over the method calls? (this could have been solved in python3 if needed, but it wasn't changed in python3, so there gotta be good reasons...i hope)

thanks!!

Answer 1

The big advantage is that built-in functions (and operators) can apply extra logic when appropriate, beyond simply calling the special methods. For example, min can look at several arguments and apply the appropriate inequality checks, or it can accept a single iterable argument and proceed similarly; abs when called on an object without a special method __abs__ could try comparing said object with 0 and using the object change sign method if needed (though it currently doesn't); and so forth.

So, for consistency, all operations with wide applicability must always go through built-ins and/or operators, and it's those built-ins responsibility to look up and apply the appropriate special methods (on one or more of the arguments), use alternate logic where applicable, and so forth.

An example where this principle wasn't correctly applied (but the inconsistency was fixed in Python 3) is "step an iterator forward": in 2.5 and earlier, you needed to define and call the non-specially-named next method on the iterator. In 2.6 and later you can do it the right way: the iterator object defines __next__, the new next built-in can call it and apply extra logic, for example to supply a default value (in 2.6 you can still do it the bad old way, for backwards compatibility, though in 3.* you can't any more).

Another example: consider the expression x + y. In a traditional object-oriented language (able to dispatch only on the type of the leftmost argument -- like Python, Ruby, Java, C++, C#, &c) if x is of some built-in type and y is of your own fancy new type, you're sadly out of luck if the language insists on delegating all the logic to the method of type(x) that implements addition (assuming the language allows operator overloading;-).

In Python, the + operator (and similarly of course the builtin operator.add, if that's what you prefer) tries x's type's __add__, and if that one doesn't know what to do with y, then tries y's type's __radd__. So you can define your types that know how to add themselves to integers, floats, complex, etc etc, as well as ones that know how to add such built-in numeric types to themselves (i.e., you can code it so that x + y and y + x both work fine, when y is an instance of your fancy new type and x is an instance of some builtin numeric type).

"Generic functions" (as in PEAK) are a more elegant approach (allowing any overriding based on a combination of types, never with the crazy monomaniac focus on the leftmost arguments that OOP encourages!-), but (a) they were unfortunately not accepted for Python 3, and (b) they do of course require the generic function to be expressed as free-standing (it would be absolutely crazy to have to consider the function as "belonging" to any single type, where the whole POINT is that can be differently overridden/overloaded based on arbitrary combination of its several arguments' types!-). Anybody who's ever programmed in Common Lisp, Dylan, or PEAK, knows what I'm talking about;-).

So, free-standing functions and operators are just THE right, consistent way to go (even though the lack of generic functions, in bare-bones Python, does remove some fraction of the inherent elegance, it's still a reasonable mix of elegance and practicality!-).

Answer 2

It emphasizes the capabilities of an object, not its methods or type. Capabilites are declared by "helper" functions such as __iter__ and __len__ but they don't make up the interface. The interface is in the builtin functions, and beside this also in the buit-in operators like + and [] for indexing and slicing.

Sometimes, it is not a one-to-one correspondance: For example, iter(obj) returns an iterator for an object, and will work even if __iter__ is not defined. If not defined, it goes on to look if the object defines __getitem__ and will return an iterator accessing the object index-wise (like an array).

This goes together with Python's Duck Typing, we care only about what we can do with an object, not that it is of a particular type.