Ember 0.9.6 performances update - Significant?

Question

I was naturally drawn to Ember's nice API/design/syntax compared to the competitors but was very saddened to see the performance was significantly worse. (For example, see the now well known http://jsfiddle.net/samdelagarza/ntMdB/167/ .) My eyes tell me at least 4 times slower than Backbone in Chrome.

The version 0.9.6 of EmberJS apparently has many performance fixes, in particular around bindings and rendering. However the above benchmark still performs poorly when using this version of Ember.

I see the above benchmark as demonstrative of one framework's binding cost. I come from Flex where bindings perform well enough that you don't have to constantly think whether these 5 bindings per renderer (multiplied by maybe 20 renderers) you want to use aren't going to be too much of an overhead. Ease of use is nice, but only if good enough performance is maintained. (Even more so since HTML5 also often targets mobiles).

As it stands, I tend to think the beauty of Ember is not worth the performance hit compared to some of its competitors, as we're talking about big apps with many bindings here, else you wouldn't need such framework in the first place. I could live with Ember performing slightly less well; after all it brings more to the table.

So my questions are fairly general and open:

• Is the Ember part of the benchmark written well enough that it shows a genuine issue?
• Are the 0.9.6 performance updates maybe very low key?
• Are the areas of bad performances identified by the main contributors?

Answer 1

This isn't really an issue of bindings being slow, but doing more DOM updates than necessary. We have been doing some investigation into this particular issue and we have some ideas for how to coalesce these multiple operations into one, so I do expect this to improve in the future.

That said, I can't see that this is a realistic benchmark. I would never recommend doing heavy animation in Ember (or with Backbone, for that matter). In standard app development, you shouldn't ever have to update that many different views simultaneous with that frequency.

If you can point out slow areas in a normal app we would be very happy to investigate. Performance is of great concern to us, and if things are truly slow during normal operation, we would consider that a bug. But, like I said, performant binding driven animations is not one of our goals, nor do I know of anyone for whom it is. Ember generally plays well with other libraries so it should be possible to plug in an animation library to do the animations outside of Ember.