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Does validation in CQRS have to occur separately once in the UI, and once in the business domain?

I've recently read the article CQRS à la Greg Young and am still trying to get my head around CQRS.

I'm not sure about where input validation should happen, and if it possibly has to happen in two separate locations (thereby violating the Don't Repeat Yourself rule and possibly also Separation of Concerns).

Given the following application architecture:

#      +--------------------+           || #      |    event store     |           || #      +--------------------+           || #           ^          |                || #           |  events  |                || #           |          v                   #      +--------------------+         events         +--------------------+ #      |      domain/       | ---------------------> |   (denormalized)   | #      |  business objects  |                        |  query repository  | #      +--------------------+           ||           +--------------------+ #         ^   ^   ^   ^   ^             ||                      | #         |   |   |   |   |             ||                      | #      +--------------------+           ||                      | #      |    command bus     |           ||                      | #      +--------------------+           ||                      | #                ^                                              | #                |             +------------------+             | #                +------------ |  user interface  | <-----------+ #                  commands    +------------------+        UI form data   
  • The domain is hidden from the UI behind a command bus. That is, the UI can only send commands to the domain, but never gets to the domain objects directly.

  • Validation must not happen when an aggregate root is reacting to an event, but earlier.

  • Commands are turned into events in the domain (by the aggregate roots). This is one place where validation could happen: If a command cannot be executed, it isn't turned into a corresponding event; instead, (for example) an exception is thrown that bubbles up through the command bus, back to the UI, where it gets caught.

Problem:

If a command won't be able to execute, I would like to disable the corresponding button or menu item in the UI. But how do I know whether a command can execute before sending it off on its way? The query side won't help me here, as it doesn't contain any business logic whatsoever; and all I can do on the command side is send commands.

Possible solutions:

  • For any command DoX, introduce a corresponding dummy command CanDoX that won't actually do anything, but lets the domain give feedback whether command X could execute without error.

  • Duplicate some validation logic (that really belongs in the domain) in the UI.

Obviously the second solution isn't favorable (due to lacking separation of concerns). But is the first one really better?

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stakx - no longer contributing Avatar asked Mar 06 '11 11:03

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2 Answers

Client-side validation is basically limited to format validation, because the client side cannot know the state of the data model on the server. What is valid now, may be invalid 1/2 second from now.

So, the client side should check only whether all required fields are filled in and whether they are of the correct form (an email address field must contain a valid email address, for instance of the form (.+)@(.+).(.+) or the like).

All those validations, along with business rule validations, are then performed on the domain model in the Command service. Therefore, data that was validated on the client may still result in invalidated Commands on the server. In that case, some feedback should be able to make it back to the client application... but that's another story.

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Roy Dictus Avatar answered Oct 04 '22 02:10

Roy Dictus


I think my question has just been solved by another article, Clarified CQRS by Udi Dahan. The section "Commands and Validation" starts as follows:

Commands and Validation

In thinking through what could make a command fail, one topic that comes up is validation. Validation is different from business rules in that it states a context-independent fact about a command. Either a command is valid, or it isn't. Business rules on the other hand are context dependent.

[…] Even though a command may be valid, there still may be reasons to reject it.

As such, validation can be performed on the client, checking that all fields required for that command are there, number and date ranges are OK, that kind of thing. The server would still validate all commands that arrive, not trusting clients to do the validation.

I take this to mean that — given that I have a task-based UI, as is often suggested for CQRS to work well (commands as domain verbs) — I would only ever gray out (disable) buttons or menu items if a command cannot yet be sent off because some data required by the command is still missing, or invalid; ie. the UI reacts to the command's validness itself, and not to the command's future effect on the domain objects.

Therefore, no CanDoX commands are required, and no domain validation logic needs to be leaked into the UI. What the UI will have, however, is some logic for command validation.

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stakx - no longer contributing Avatar answered Oct 04 '22 04:10

stakx - no longer contributing